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richard
#1 Posted : 07 November 2012 21:34:01(UTC)
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The case of Arthur Redfearn, the bus-driver fired for being a BNP councillor, is an interesting one, and it certainly has the local paper in a tizz.

Working for West Yorkshire Transport Service for seven months as a driver, taking vulnerable adults and children to schools and day centres, he was fired by his employer Serco in 2004, shortly after he had won a seat on Bradford Council, representing the Wibsey ward – home of this blog.

His then employer, then and now, is nothing if not strong on corporate BS, claiming to "build respect by operating in a safe, socially responsible, consistent and honest manner". "We never compromise on safety", it says, "and we always operate in an ethical and responsible manner". In like vein, it drools on: "We listen. In doing so, we treat others as we would wish to be treated ourselves and challenge when we see something is wrong. We integrate with our communities".

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#2 Posted : 07 November 2012 21:50:50(UTC)
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There's another case coming up as well, that of Chris Knowles who was sacked by Leeds City Council solely for his political beliefs.

It's also worth mentioning here that Tommy Robinson aka Stephen Lennon, the leader of the EDL, was recently arrested on trumped up charges and is currently in Wandsworth Prison which has a large number of Muslim inmates. He is not expected to be released until after Christmas. This looks like a deliberate attempt to try and intimidate him into silence. His birthday is on 27th November and there is an address to send him a card at Gates of Vienna.
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#3 Posted : 07 November 2012 21:51:24(UTC)
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These claims rather fell apart, though, when he lined up ranks of Asian colleagues as character witnesses, also proving that there had been no complaints against him.


He's obviously a monster who can't get along with his colleagues.

I actually know some Asians who have similar politics in relation to immigration. Are they racist too?
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#4 Posted : 07 November 2012 22:20:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: techno Go to Quoted Post
' ... Tommy Robinson aka Stephen Lennon, the leader of the EDL, was recently arrested on trumped up charges and is currently in Wandsworth Prison which has a large number of Muslim inmates. He is not expected to be released until after Christmas. This looks like a deliberate attempt to try and intimidate him into silence ... '

It is possible that Emma West is being subjected to the same sort of treatment. She has now been incarcerated without trial for a year, merely for expressing opinions that some, perhaps only one, YouTube viewers deemed offensive, and her children have been taken into care. Miss West's trial was recently postponed for the third time 'pending further psychiatric reports', although what it is they are having trouble discovering is questionable to say the least. The suspicion that the authorities are attempting to coerce her into pleading guilty is not unreasonable given the times we live in and the regime we live under.

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#5 Posted : 07 November 2012 22:24:29(UTC)
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I totally agree with this post and all I can add is if you are happy with the ruling -

"A legal system which allowed dismissal from employment solely on account of an employee's membership of a political party carried with it the potential for abuse and was therefore deficient".

then you should keep an eye on the Levenson Inquiry. Which I have a feeling will be £6 million quids worth of deficient thinking with the potential for abuse by government, police, and all sorts of other authorities thrown in for good measure.
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William Gruff
#6 Posted : 07 November 2012 22:40:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
' ... He was refused leave to appeal to the House of Lords ... '

There can be no possible moral justification for allowing the right to appeal to depend upon the whim of another, no matter who he be.

That notwithstanding, I'm sure that no one would have dared to sack a Moslem bus driver, even were he known to have demanded the decapitation of anyone who refuses to defer to his superstitious beliefs. A few years ago I was employed by the DWP in an office in which there were a couple of Mohammedans, one of them outwardly very Western but actually very 'devout'. He made a practice of washing for his daily prayers, for which he was, unlike the rest of us, given additional paid time off, in the kitchen we used for preparing food and drink. Despite universal disgust and numerous repeated complaints, all met with sympathetic simpering noises, nothing was done.
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#7 Posted : 07 November 2012 23:36:17(UTC)
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Labour MP for Bradford South, Gerry Sutcliffe would fit in well at the Department of "Justice" in West Pondia. Perchance has he plans to immigrate to the land of Barack? Your British court's ruling would also fit well with those of much of the judiciary over here. Maybe the intent is to make Mere Citizens LONG for justice of the EU? Could that be their plan to win any future referendum?
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#8 Posted : 08 November 2012 00:27:54(UTC)
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#9 Posted : 08 November 2012 00:44:23(UTC)
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What John just said.
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#10 Posted : 08 November 2012 00:57:11(UTC)
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Say what you will about the ECHR, but unlike our Bill of Rights, it presses all the right Tranzi buttons and thus is somewhat sacrosanct amongst many of our politcos and cultural elites. None of our current crop of politicos would ever consider something as gauche as repealing the Human Righrs Act (they would have no such qualms about axing what is left of the Magna Carta or th Bill of Rights).

And the ECHR judges are unlikely to frequent the same restaurants and clubs as our politicos so they probably don't feel conflicted if their ruling pisses off TPTB.

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#11 Posted : 08 November 2012 08:25:53(UTC)
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It is a sad day for us. We should hang our heads with shame at what we have allowed ourselves to become. A judgement on our politico legal system that deems it not fit for purpose.

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#12 Posted : 08 November 2012 10:03:06(UTC)
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Accepting the rather bizarre claims that a man should be fired because people (aka criminals) might attack his vehicle, the tribunal found for Serco.




This appears to set an interesting precedent - similar to the idea that nurses should not be allowed to be Christian....

It appears to have been agreed that if I hold any views that other people might find offensive (and I can assure you that I do), then there is a risk that people may attack my workplace, wherever it is situated. Consequently, I should not be employed by anyone.

Furthermore, I find the views (and, more importantly, their actions) of many people in quite senior positions in the establishment offensive. Consequently, they should also lose their jobs, since I might attack them.

How do they avoid this interpretation? Enquiring (sic) minds want to know....
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#13 Posted : 08 November 2012 10:59:43(UTC)
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Before our eyes and without a "by your leave" - we slide into a lawless and social Gomorrah.

When the law of the land is being manipulated to suit behavioural modification and in a society which historically and longer than a 1000 years, based its values upon Christian ethics and codes. When it uses the law, to supplant traditional convention and in a authoritarian and dictatorial way - without redress or balance, then, that country has gone to the dogs.


The cultural Marxists, the social engineering 'progressives' and the ideologists of a middle eastern dogma have much in common - they are actually in league, would be a better way of putting it.


I couldn't possibly make a further comment.


Will the thought police be round to see me?

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#14 Posted : 08 November 2012 11:02:22(UTC)
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What a disgraceful state of affairs.......words fail me!!

Can't wait for Ravenscar's no doubt pithy and forthright comment, he's bound to state my thoughts better than I ever could!

(Incidentally I loathe all these 'Mission Statements', what's that all about?)
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#15 Posted : 08 November 2012 11:13:16(UTC)
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The English Legal System has not been fit for purpose for many, many years. (And I speak as a lawyer although now retired.)
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#16 Posted : 08 November 2012 11:47:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dodgy Geezer Go to Quoted Post
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Accepting the rather bizarre claims that a man should be fired because people (aka criminals) might attack his vehicle, the tribunal found for Serco.




This appears to set an interesting precedent - similar to the idea that nurses should not be allowed to be Christian....

It appears to have been agreed that if I hold any views that other people might find offensive (and I can assure you that I do), then there is a risk that people may attack my workplace, wherever it is situated. Consequently, I should not be employed by anyone.

Furthermore, I find the views (and, more importantly, their actions) of many people in quite senior positions in the establishment offensive. Consequently, they should also lose their jobs, since I might attack them.

How do they avoid this interpretation? Enquiring (sic) minds want to know....

Only the views of the Right People matter. You are so clearly not One of Them.
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#17 Posted : 08 November 2012 12:13:31(UTC)
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Sorry Ravenscar, we obviously posted at the same time.
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#18 Posted : 08 November 2012 12:15:48(UTC)
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The police and prison officers are also banned. Some time ago I sent a rather tongue in cheek letter asking whether a similar ban applied to members of Al Muhajiroun and Hiz'but Tahrir and got a very polite and serious letter back saying that they were not banned at present but that the police were 'looking into it'.
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#19 Posted : 08 November 2012 12:39:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dodgy Geezer Go to Quoted Post
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Accepting the rather bizarre claims that a man should be fired because people (aka criminals) might attack his vehicle, the tribunal found for Serco.

This appears to set an interesting precedent - similar to the idea that nurses should not be allowed to be Christian....

It appears to have been agreed that if I hold any views that other people might find offensive (and I can assure you that I do), then there is a risk that people may attack my workplace, wherever it is situated. Consequently, I should not be employed by anyone.

Furthermore, I find the views (and, more importantly, their actions) of many people in quite senior positions in the establishment offensive. Consequently, they should also lose their jobs, since I might attack them.

How do they avoid this interpretation? Enquiring (sic) minds want to know....
Funny, and a good thought at the same time: I think that it very nicely exposes the absurdity of the argument. I concurred with Dr. North's classifying the claim as bizarre, but you have taken it a bit further by demonstrating that the argument is unsupportable and an argument that no reasonable person could be expected to accept. How a sitting judge could have entertained and accepted it raises a whole new set of questions.
Originally Posted by: Ravenscar Go to Quoted Post
Before our eyes and without a "by your leave" - we slide into a lawless and social Gomorrah.

When the law of the land is being manipulated to suit behavioural modification and in a society which historically and longer than a 1000 years, based its values upon Christian ethics and codes. When it uses the law, to supplant traditional convention and in a authoritarian and dictatorial way - without redress or balance, then, that country has gone to the dogs.

The cultural Marxists, the social engineering 'progressives' and the ideologists of a middle eastern dogma have much in common - they are actually in league, would be a better way of putting it.

I couldn't possibly make a further comment.

Will the thought police be round to see me?
We live in an age where the advanced thinkers reject the precepts and traditions of Christianity without review. It is a pity because in it we learn of the range of noble possibilities within the compass of man's activities even as we learn of man's frailties.

I couldn’t agree more with your diagnosis as to “the law of the land is being manipulated to suit behavioural modification.” That is exactly right, and the practitioners of this ill-formed approach are quite pleased with their own cleverness
I didn't fail the test, I just found 100 ways to do it wrong. Benjamin Franklin
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#20 Posted : 08 November 2012 16:45:41(UTC)
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Let's put this in perspective. We're all rightly very concerned here about the damage the EU is doing to us. We're all rightly very concerned here about the coming monetary and economic collapse. But forget those problems. Whatever happens they're survivable.

This isn't. Coming to your location soon, if you haven't been blessed already: If this is England, where are the English? (from a commenter's link on the Telegraph UK facing middle-class brain drain as professionals seek better lives abroad.) Yes, it was produced by the National Front [Ooh!] so I guess some of you might have a problem with that. But don't fret. Try to focus on the 'big picture' here, as the management gurus and other wasters might say. Do that and you'll find you have far better things to worry about. And I mean: really worry — y'know, utter fucking despair type of worry. Yeah.

Now, I'd like to ask some of you a moral question.

Actually, I have no time for morals and morality, or rather I have no time for other people's morals and morality but plenty of time for my own. You see, in my experience people generally invoke these on the spot when they have no ARGUMENTS. In principle and to a large extent morals function as axioms, in the mathematical sense. That is, and very loosely, they are fundamental universal building blocks for arguments — they are the givens, the equivalent of the ultimate undefined terms etc yak yak. As I say, the trouble is that, with most people, they just pull their morals out of a hat or conjure them up out of thin air when they're backed into an argumental corner ['argumental' ought to be word] inventing them just for the purpose in their attempts to ad hoc their way out of their difficulty. But then they never examine them or their system of thought (what a joke!) for consistency. And consistency is very important. Without it every proposition, and its negation, can BOTH be proved true. In other words, an inconsistent system is worthless. But you know all that. I just wanted to remind you. Incidentally, this explains why law is such a conceptual sewer — but that's a further digression. The upshot is that in building one's version of morality one needs to be extremely parsimonious and extremely careful in his choice of morals otherwise he'll very quickly end up disappearing up his own backside.

And the moral question I want to ask?

Oh, never mind — forget it.

Hi Dai. :)

I have a friend in your position — there's nothing wrong with a little 'spice' but it should be avoided as the nation's main diet. He's needlessly concerned too, but I'm not entirely sure I'm enamoured of his 'morality'. I have no desire to set myself up in the business of puritanical judgement but it strikes me that he's rather keen on 'externalising' the cost of his, which is not really very nice, especially when one considers the "do as you would be done by" maxim. Some might even call it immoral, but there ya go. Consistency is a funny business. Maybe he'll revisit it — yeah, revisit (he's no dummy either) — when he's up to ears in wogs and coons. Just give it a few more years. It'll probably take a little longer for, say, outer rural Pembrokeshire to be nicely enriched but on present course it's just a matter of time. Then you too can have fun with the axiomatics.

'Decent' people (that's most of them) need to get their heads out of their arseholes. Meanwhile, Rosie and others should send them their bill, along with a freebie jar of Vaseline and a six-pack of Andrex to ease their passage back to rationality.
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