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If I could be bothered to stay up into the wee small hours, I too could pick up something that every service in the world will be running. And that says it all … there is no point in this blog even attempting to duplicate what is being done elsewhere, by so many. Further, conscious of how stupid and ignorant Americans often come over when they try to analyse British politics, I've been reluctant to return the favour. I simply do not know enough about the nuances of US electoral politics to be able make any worthwhile comment. On the broader issues, my few trips over to the other side of the pond and my general studies of US systems suggest to me that this election isn't going to solve anything. Picking one person from two flawed and unattractive individuals does not seem to be a remedy for the deep-seated problems that are affecting the whole of Western civilisation, to some extent or other. View full article here
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Richard wrote - Quote: I can confidently predict that somebody will win … and nothing much will change That's what I think about Corby!
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Originally Posted by: In2minds  Richard wrote - Quote: I can confidently predict that somebody will win … and nothing much will change That's what I think about Corby! I'm always reminded of that saying, that If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal. http://www.brainyquote.c.../e/emmagoldma107325.html
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Originally Posted by: richard Further, conscious of how stupid and ignorant Americans often come over when they try to analyse British politics, I've been reluctant to return the favour. I simply do not know enough about the nuances of US electoral politics to be able make any worthwhile comment. On the broader issues, my few trips over to the other side of the pond and my general studies of US systems suggest to me that this election isn't going to solve anything. Picking one person from two flawed and unattractive individuals does not seem to be a remedy for the deep-seated problems that are affecting the whole of Western civilisation, to some extent or other. But, at least, I can confidently predict that somebody will win … and nothing much will change. View full article here Not to keep you in suspense as to who won: I did, as did everyone who voted. We had a chance to select a President and (here in Virginia) a Senator and a Congressman. Plus, (here in Virginia) we had a chance to vote on two referenda. That strikes me as a good day: whether my votes went to the winning or losing candidates or measures, I am happy that I had a chance to vote. And I am satisfied with the outcomes as I trust to the aggregate judgment of those who choose to vote more than I trust to my own. After all, I am frequently wrong. As for your commenting on American politics, I, as an American by birth, would welcome anything you have to say as to the practices, laws and forms of the U.S. government. Viewing it from a distance and from the height of your background gives you an unobstructed coign of vantage for insightful analysis. I think you are correct when you say that the outcome of the election will have little effect on the course of events. It is my perception that the US has been going on momentum only and that serious economic difficulties are being ignored and the dealing of them postponed. It is an odd thing when I spent a few weeks in China in 2010: when speaking with Chinese people, I was impressed by a sense of optimism, a sense that tomorrow was going to be much better than today. They had suddenly realized that they were a world power and that they had a destiny to fulfill that role. The Beijing Olympics and the Shanghai World Expo probably had a great effect toward creating this self awareness. Americans have not had a strong sense of optimism for half a century. American politics has sunk to anxiety about health-care and retirement. We are coating as if the engine has died. |
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Well said, sir! The two parties have largely become merely opposite ends of the same steaming turd. NEITHER of them has any interest in complying with the Constitutional limits on the Federal government. NEITHER of them has any interest in complying with the Bill of Rights at ANY level of government. They conspire, along with ABCNNBCBS and their dead-tree fellow travelers, to lock any other options OUT of the ballot for anything greater than the lowest of public office. It's all about who gets the prime offices and other perks, and whose cronies get to slop at the government trough. And their Praetorian Guard enablers grovel before whoever signs their paycheck, and spit on THEIR oath to the Constitution as well.
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Well said, sir! The two parties have largely become merely opposite ends of the same steaming turd. NEITHER of them has any interest in complying with the Constitutional limits on the Federal government. NEITHER of them has any interest in complying with the Bill of Rights at ANY level of government. They conspire, along with ABCNNBCBS and their dead-tree fellow travelers, to lock any other options OUT of the ballot for anything greater than the lowest of public office. It's all about who gets the prime offices and other perks, and whose cronies get to slop at the government trough. And their Praetorian Guard enablers grovel before whoever signs their paycheck, and spit on THEIR oath to the Constitution as well. Not much different here boss, same old sh&3 - over in east pondia. My twopenneth [not that I have a horse in this race but it still will effect and affect me and my country]. Kenyan sympathiser with Luo Somali blood - he has had a go, I can't help thinking Mitt Romney will be in some small way a better ways to go. But, what do I know?
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As for your commenting on American politics, I, as an American by birth, would welcome anything you have to say as to the practices, laws and forms of the U.S. government. Viewing it from a distance and from the height of your background gives you an unobstructed coign of vantage for insightful analysis.
I think you are correct when you say that the outcome of the election will have little effect on the course of events. It is my perception that the US has been going on momentum only and that serious economic difficulties are being ignored and the dealing of them postponed.
My impression is that as here in the UK, you are voting for two rival teams of limited dictators seeking to bribe you with money they are borrowing on your behalf and there's a huge section of governance which you can't change by voting Republican or Democrat. I've not followed what they've promised or claim to stand for, but I'd guess their actions in office will be variations on the same theme whatever they say they are going to do. Whoever you vote for the government gets in, but there and again, most of it never stands for election, because it doesn't have to. Edited by user 07 November 2012 01:31:35(UTC)
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Quote:Whoever you vote for the government gets in, but there are again, most of it never stands for election, because it doesn't have to. So true, it could turn you into a cynic comet.............. - ahem, we all are.
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Zerohedge has some very sombre observations regarding the current 2012 US presidential election: Quote:Whoever the “winner” happens to be is ultimately irrelevant. They do not count. They are mascots. And: Quote:2012 is going to be the beginning of upheaval and renewal, for better or for worse, and it is certain that the guy in the White House into 2013, Republican or Democrat, is going to be a part of the problem, nothing more… See: http://www.zerohedge.com...ner-will-destroy-americaWatchet
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Originally Posted by: comet Originally Posted by: Pluck
As for your commenting on American politics, I, as an American by birth, would welcome anything you have to say as to the practices, laws and forms of the U.S. government. Viewing it from a distance and from the height of your background gives you an unobstructed coign of vantage for insightful analysis.
I think you are correct when you say that the outcome of the election will have little effect on the course of events. It is my perception that the US has been going on momentum only and that serious economic difficulties are being ignored and the dealing of them postponed.
My impression is that as here in the UK, you are voting for two rival teams of limited dictators seeking to bribe you with money they are borrowing on your behalf and there's a huge section of governance which you can't change by voting Republican or Democrat. I've not followed what they've promised or claim to stand for, but I'd guess their actions in office will be variations on the same theme whatever they say they are going to do. Whoever you vote for the government gets in, but there and again, most of it never stands for election, because it doesn't have to. You are not wrong. It is a system that is increasingly out of balance and out of control. Even when an honest politician manages to get in, he either finds himself powerless or he quickly joins the gravy train. |
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Originally Posted by: Ravenscar Quote:Whoever you vote for the government gets in, but there are again, most of it never stands for election, because it doesn't have to. So true, it could turn you into a cynic comet.............. - ahem, we all are. I think that the cynicism is unwarranted. As Mark Twain put it, "We have the best government that money can buy." Edited by user 07 November 2012 04:53:36(UTC)
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Looks like the Obomination won....all the usual suspects are going to be happy campers and even more nauseating than before.
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Quote:Looks like the Obomination won....all the usual suspects are going to be happy campers and even more nauseating than before. It's a victory for the champagne suppliers to the BBC, a notable fillip for the equality Stasi, UN agenda 21, the multikulti appeasement corps, the Bilderbergers and Club of Rome = the left liberal 'progressives' and the one world government internationalists. The EU tossers/colleagues will be elated, so too. the global warming junkies all NGO's and eco-commies around the globe. Tories, Lib Dems and Labour scum will all be delighted. For the average Joe or Joanne and man and woman in the street = the taxpayer and consumer - it's a financial and political disaster and BIG GOVERNMENT RUMBLES ON AND ON.
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I did take an interest, for a while. The conclusion I came to was that the American people had as much choice as we did at the last election. Two parties, who other than a spend or save policy, are pretty much the same. To have a choice of the least, worst candidate is no choice. Obama and his socialist policies will pretty much follow the Gordon Brown route and makes things progressively worse. The shame of it is, that America is pretty much already divided into "states" and could quite easily go the direct democracy route if it had the choice. As has always been said on this site, it's time for political reform in the United Kingdom, to give power back to the people. The same applies to the USA.
Still, we can be thankful it's over. Things have been deliberately low-key in the EU incase something should happen which would jeopardise Obama's campaign. Let the fireworks begin, again.
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I'm not bothered who won, only that there will now be a few days of nauseating "Saint Obama ism". As for the Muppet in the Telegraph it was pretty obvious sometime ago Romney had an uphill struggle...Obama was leading significantly in the key states, but then what can we expect from the Telegraph?
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SueJameson said: Quote:Still, we can be thankful it's over. Things have been deliberately low-key in the EU incase something should happen which would jeopardise Obama's campaign. Let the fireworks begin, again. Yup and a good point, hope you weren't also thinking of....................... fireworks and Iran.
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Originally Posted by: SueJameson I did take an interest, for a while. The conclusion I came to was that the American people had as much choice as we did at the last election. Two parties, who other than a spend or save policy, are pretty much the same. To have a choice of the least, worst candidate is no choice. Obama and his socialist policies will pretty much follow the Gordon Brown route and makes things progressively worse. The shame of it is, that America is pretty much already divided into "states" and could quite easily go the direct democracy route if it had the choice. As has always been said on this site, it's time for political reform in the United Kingdom, to give power back to the people. The same applies to the USA.
Still, we can be thankful it's over. Things have been deliberately low-key in the EU incase something should happen which would jeopardise Obama's campaign. Let the fireworks begin, again. I suspect that the failure to provide a real choice was what lost Romney the election. It seemed that he was playing it safe and counting on the unpopularity of Obama to carry the day. I believe that people were waiting for him to rise up and demonstrate some real leadership. |
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Hey, I've just heard that someone won?
Did I miss anything?
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Quote:I suspect that the failure to provide a real choice was what lost Romney the election. It seemed that he was playing it safe and counting on the unpopularity of Obama to carry the day. I believe that people were waiting for him to rise up and demonstrate some real leadership. Romney, carried too much baggage and was hardly the figurehead the Republicans wanted or needed, he was a second, even a third choice. Obama was a shoe in - in that scenario - why vote for change when changing man is already there? Obama got lucky, we will see if he massaged the employment figures, the GDP figures etc - it was very conveniently done - JUST IN TIME!??! What is worrying, his victory speech mentioned 'global warming' - something just recently he's been very careful not to mention - Doha in three weeks - oh God surely not KYOTO II rises again and back from the dead.
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Never mind the US election result.....we have finally found a use for a politician,ship them off to Australia  Quote:
Instead of representing her constituents, she will take part in the show’s notorious Bushtucker Trials, which include eating kangaroo testicles and being encased with rats, snakes and insects.
http://www.dailymail.co....urious-constituency.htmlShe will be quite at home. Edited by user 07 November 2012 08:59:26(UTC)
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