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A jolly little piece by the BBC's "environment analyst" Roger Harrabin has a new report "blaming the government for leaving the UK's water resources at the mercy of the weather". The document, we are told, is produced by "16 leading environmental organisations" and says it took the wettest ever summer to avert serious drought". It then warns "that another series of dry winters would put Britain back on drought alert". All very harmless, you might say, as you pass on to more interesting stuff, although experience warns that nothing Harrabin ever does is ever without an agenda. That is the case here. View full article here
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That nice Mrs Thatcher, under the guise of "privatisation," ensuring that ownership of our water is in foreign (EU now EEC then) hands will only serve to facilitate the agenda of the Green Fascists. Edited by user 06 November 2012 16:23:53(UTC)
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I really don't know why I cannot have simple bipartite contractual relationship with my supplier, be it of water, gas or electricity. I don't understand whyy I as a customer must look on as government conspires with monopoly to restrict my access to any commodirty, especially those vital to life. Nor that if they do, they expect me to go on paying at prohibitive rates to get a worse service. That is why I want a straightforward contract with my supplier, and if he fails in providing the service he ought to be giving me a rebate, not a lecture on how evil and wasteful I am. This goes most of all in the case of water, where I don't USE UP any of it, I just borrow it and give it back. All they have to do is clean it up and pipe me some more. If that is not sustainable enough, I know where there is a lot more of it.
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Originally Posted by: mosquito  I really don't know why I cannot have simple bipartite contractual relationship with my supplier, be it of water, gas or electricity. I don't understand whyy I as a customer must look on as government conspires with monopoly to restrict my access to any commodirty, especially those vital to life. Nor that if they do, they expect me to go on paying at prohibitive rates to get a worse service. That is why I want a straightforward contract with my supplier, and if he fails in providing the service he ought to be giving me a rebate, not a lecture on how evil and wasteful I am. This goes most of all in the case of water, where I don't USE UP any of it, I just borrow it and give it back. All they have to do is clean it up and pipe me some more. If that is not sustainable enough, I know where there is a lot more of it. I think you've got it in one there ... the whole relationship has been poisoned by special interests, and we are now second-class citizens, there to pay the bills and do as we are told. If there is anything "unsustainable", it is that relationship between the water companies and their "customers".
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As you know, I have a particular interest in this area.
One of the items to fall out of last spring's round of drought-related shouting was a reply I got from DEFRA confirming that they place no specific requirement, or even guidelines, on the water industry to maintain a minimum figure of water storage/abstraction capability per capita. I would have thought that should be a basic figure guiding the entire service. And it's not.
Instead, the general principle governing water provision is that the infrastructure will remain fixed, and demand will be altered to ensure that the supply can cope. There is a general view that 'water is in short supply, and must be conserved'. In my attempts to get various civil servants to admit that the supply could be increased to any credible amount without impacting the total amount of water in the world by one drop I was met with blank incredulity, and a careful explanation that the 'only' water that could be used was that in the aquifers and existing reservoirs.
All my attempts to ask why the reservoir storage was not being expanded and why the well-understood techniques for artificial aquifer recharge from permeable floor reservoirs were just not answered...
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Chair of the trustees
Please Dr North, could you refrain from joining many others, the BBC included, in calling chairmen and chairwomen, "chairs". This is an inanimate object for sitting upon and is a noun. To "chair" a meeting is a verb and has been in use for many years. Sorry to be so pedantic but there is a great deal of unnecessary sloppy English being used in the the name of political correctness or fashion.
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Quote:Therein is a hint of the size of the green lobbying machine - "over 11,000 full-time staff" – and, as you might expect, all the usual suspects are there. We see Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth and WWF, as well as the National Trust, the RSPCA, the RSPB, the Wildlife Trusts and even the Badger Trust - the director of which, Dr Elaine King, now heads the Link. Along with Amphibian and Reptile Conservation,Buglife and Pond Conservation.... I did note that not one seemed concerned with Humans, who as always will be paying for all this.Polluter pays, eh?...aye if they catch them, otherwise it's you and me. Edited by user 06 November 2012 17:18:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Roger Welsh  Chair of the trustees
Please Dr North, could you refrain from joining many others, the BBC included, in calling chairmen and chairwomen, "chairs". This is an inanimate object for sitting upon and is a noun. To "chair" a meeting is a verb and has been in use for many years. Sorry to be so pedantic but there is a great deal of unnecessary sloppy English being used in the the name of political correctness or fashion. Dun.
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Originally Posted by: vincent  Quote:Therein is a hint of the size of the green lobbying machine - "over 11,000 full-time staff" – and, as you might expect, all the usual suspects are there. We see Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth and WWF, as well as the National Trust, the RSPCA, the RSPB, the Wildlife Trusts and even the Badger Trust - the director of which, Dr Elaine King, now heads the Link. Along with Amphibian and Reptile Conservation,Buglife and Pond Conservation.... I did note that not one seemed concerned with Humans, who as always will be paying for all this.Polluter pays, eh?...aye if they catch them, otherwise it's you and me. We are the "polluters" ... in greenie terms, we are pollution.
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Originally Posted by: richard  Originally Posted by: vincent  Quote:Therein is a hint of the size of the green lobbying machine - "over 11,000 full-time staff" – and, as you might expect, all the usual suspects are there. We see Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth and WWF, as well as the National Trust, the RSPCA, the RSPB, the Wildlife Trusts and even the Badger Trust - the director of which, Dr Elaine King, now heads the Link. Along with Amphibian and Reptile Conservation,Buglife and Pond Conservation.... I did note that not one seemed concerned with Humans, who as always will be paying for all this.Polluter pays, eh?...aye if they catch them, otherwise it's you and me. We are the "polluters" ... in greenie terms, we are pollution. Well pardon me for existing  Maybe if we cut the population down a tad then?...stopping mass immigration for example....sorted. Edited by user 06 November 2012 17:31:08(UTC)
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This is of course all of a piece, as in the "energy supply", do not build infrastructure, ration everything. This seems to be the aim everwhere you look. And just why is our puppet government listening to the "greenie terrorists", they do not listen to us, the People whose vote they will be asking for....perhaps! Bring on the Harrogate Agenda!
Oh yes, I totally agree with Mr. Welsh, it is "chairman", where "man" is the generic term for the human race, men or women.
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Where does Ofwat fit in with all this? Surely they must be there to make sure the consumer is protected, and this should include adequate reservoirs etc.
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Originally Posted by: Derek  Where does Ofwat fit in with all this? Surely they must be there to make sure the consumer is protected, and this should include adequate reservoirs etc. Good question ... they sit on their hands and do nothing, from what I can see ... http://www.guardian.co.u...s-cut-leaks-2015-drought
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Originally Posted by: richard  Originally Posted by: vincent  Quote:Therein is a hint of the size of the green lobbying machine - "over 11,000 full-time staff" – and, as you might expect, all the usual suspects are there. We see Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth and WWF, as well as the National Trust, the RSPCA, the RSPB, the Wildlife Trusts and even the Badger Trust - the director of which, Dr Elaine King, now heads the Link. Along with Amphibian and Reptile Conservation,Buglife and Pond Conservation.... I did note that not one seemed concerned with Humans, who as always will be paying for all this.Polluter pays, eh?...aye if they catch them, otherwise it's you and me. We are the "polluters" ... in greenie terms, we are pollution. The question though is how do we neutralise these, our enemies? After 100 years of fighting communists, socialists, fascists I'd have thought we would be well versed in recognising and marginalising them but it's as though we've never seen them before.
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I would like to post this on my Facebook to let my friends (yes real people I know!) about how we are being ripped off. But as has happened in the past, there will be little or no interest in reading it. I suspect that the media would not be interested in telling the whole truth and neither would most of the population. The media and the population will only start complaining when their bill go up. Dr. North says: "Creating vast networks of influence was the way the Communist Party used to work, from which model the Greens have learned their trade well. And, on the top of the heap, is the BBC's Roger Harrabin, an "agent of influence", always ready to give them aid and sustenance." So this is "Common Purpose" at work then? Edited by user 06 November 2012 18:44:19(UTC)
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Am I missing something here? Building reservoirs and upgrading the water and sewerage networks would tick the boxes of sustainability and economic growth by investing in infrastructure construction.
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RAENorth said:- Quote:Some little time ago, I wrote about how water consumers were "unrepresented and abused", OK, is there any way we can start to be represented...? Is it only via the Harrogate Agenda or is it the old fashioned way, purely by word of mouth and leaflets? How would one start a Water Consumers Association..?
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Originally Posted by: richard  Originally Posted by: Derek  Where does Ofwat fit in with all this? Surely they must be there to make sure the consumer is protected, and this should include adequate reservoirs etc. Good question ... they sit on their hands and do nothing, from what I can see ... http://www.guardian.co.u...s-cut-leaks-2015-drought I imagine they are just window dressing. Like the European Parliament, but for waterworks ... Friends of the Earth -- FoE of mankind. |
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Originally Posted by: john in cheshire  After 100 years of fighting communists, socialists, fascists I'd have thought we would be well versed in recognising and marginalising them but it's as though we've never seen them before. That is because it is their policy to tell bare-faced lies. Honest people have difficulty in coping with that. See "Dupes" by Prof. Paul Kengor for many examples. |
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Originally Posted by: jaguar driver  RAENorth said:- Quote:Some little time ago, I wrote about how water consumers were "unrepresented and abused", OK, is there any way we can start to be represented...? Is it only via the Harrogate Agenda or is it the old fashioned way, purely by word of mouth and leaflets? How would one start a Water Consumers Association..? They already have that one sorted. You are represented by the Consumer Council for Water Never heard of it? I didn't think so. But they are appointed to 'look after your interests' using your taxes. I have had several letter interchanges with them, because their view is that it is in your (and my) interest to use less water and be metered. It turns out that they have no process for determining what the consumers interest is - they don't need this, as they already know. It is what government (DEFRA) requires. So that's all right... It might be interesting for people to send complaints to CCW, informing them that their interests include ensuring that their local water company has enough water storage to cope with dry spells, and asking what they are doing about it. Here is the relevant page - you will note that you have to 'register' before putting in a complaint. Keeps the riff-raff out, dontchaknow... http://ccwater.custhelp.com/app/utils/login_form/redirect/ask
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