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#1 Posted : 05 November 2012 19:43:09(UTC)
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On 8 October last, the EU Commission launched a consultation on reduced VAT rates.

At the time, Algirdas Šemeta, Commissioner for Taxation, Customs, Anti-fraud and Audit, said: "It is high time that we take a fresh look at reduced VAT rates. Member States need new revenue sources, while businesses need simpler tax systems with fewer compliance costs. Today we are asking whether certain reduced VAT rates are delivering what they seem to promise, or whether they pose more problems than they are worth".

OK … seems reasonable enough. Even if you think VAT is the devil's spawn – and we do – there doesn't seem to much harm in this, at the moment. But that was before last Saturday, when the Express had a go at it.

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#2 Posted : 05 November 2012 20:16:50(UTC)
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It is depressing how often the media,particularly the press,get it wrong.No one goes further than reading the first 2 paragraphs by the looks,not even the journos.
Last week a young 17 year old entrepeneur was being lauded for creating an app for the internet that summarised any news story into one or two paragraphs.It is about the limit of concentration for the new attention deficit generation.

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House walls, even in the winter, retain heat from the sun and in the late evening give it up to the interior spaces. In heavily insulated houses, because of the thick plastic mass on the outer walls, this is not possible. The interior thus never benefits from this free source of heat.


How much longer do we have to be ruled by total morons, who only cause ruin.
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#4 Posted : 05 November 2012 22:01:07(UTC)
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And, of course, it is half-arsed stories like this in the Express which do no favours to those of use attempting to have a serious debate about EU membership.

*sighs*
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#5 Posted : 05 November 2012 22:06:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: David Phipps Go to Quoted Post
And, of course, it is half-arsed stories like this in the Express which do no favours to those of use attempting to have a serious debate about EU membership.

*sighs*




That's exactly my view. There is an important debate to be had and all we get from the media is noise.

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#6 Posted : 05 November 2012 22:53:03(UTC)
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As I've spent some of my life working on the calculations for U-values I'd be interested to know more about the Die Welt claim. As my maths is better than my German so far I'm none the wiser. My first reaction is to wonder if Die Welt does not suffer from the same problem as the Express. By the way the U in U-values has nothing to do with the EU!
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Originally Posted by: David Phipps Go to Quoted Post
And, of course, it is half-arsed stories like this in the Express which do no favours to those of use attempting to have a serious debate about EU membership.

*sighs*


Indeed, the Express treats EU issues in exactly the same way as the rest of the British media...only with a superficial 'EU out' editorial topping. Where the EU affects significant areas of our country it does exactly what all the other papers do...ignore it.
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#8 Posted : 06 November 2012 01:00:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: In2minds Go to Quoted Post
As I've spent some of my life working on the calculations for U-values I'd be interested to know more about the Die Welt claim. As my maths is better than my German so far I'm none the wiser. My first reaction is to wonder if Die Welt does not suffer from the same problem as the Express. By the way the U in U-values has nothing to do with the EU!


In2minds,
Here's a link to the Fraunhofer IBP mentioner in Die Welt article. My German is not very good either but the articles published in 1985 are Nos. 096-105. At first glance I can't see anything specifically mentioning the effect of exterior insulation. Perhaps the PR department can help find the original article for you.

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Nothing is impossible so long as everybody does exactly what I tell them.
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#9 Posted : 06 November 2012 01:20:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: In2minds Go to Quoted Post
As I've spent some of my life working on the calculations for U-values I'd be interested to know more about the Die Welt claim. As my maths is better than my German so far I'm none the wiser. My first reaction is to wonder if Die Welt does not suffer from the same problem as the Express. By the way the U in U-values has nothing to do with the EU!



Google translate does a tolerable job on the piece. If you open it in Google Chrome, it will automatically offer you a translation option.

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#10 Posted : 06 November 2012 19:06:06(UTC)
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I'm not 100% convinced that The Express has actually done the cause a disfavour. If the paper is genuinely trying to persuade people that the EU is doing us harm then their simple argument is likely to make more impact. Arguing the real, but more complicated case that you do may have considerably less impact, especially with their readership.

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#11 Posted : 06 November 2012 21:55:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: SeanOHare Go to Quoted Post
I'm not 100% convinced that The Express has actually done the cause a disfavour. If the paper is genuinely trying to persuade people that the EU is doing us harm then their simple argument is likely to make more impact. Arguing the real, but more complicated case that you do may have considerably less impact, especially with their readership.




It's crying wolf ... that works for a time, but eventually, it loses its force. My piece was more complicated because I was debunking the Express story as well as telling the real story. But actually, there isn't a story unless Cameron makes it so ... VAT changes require unanimity ... like I said, crying wolf.

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