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#1 Posted : 05 November 2012 15:57:37(UTC)
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Since the year 2000, more than double the number of tree diseases have entered the UK than the whole of the past century. That we learnt recently from Louise Gray of the Telegraph, who is taking a break from extolling the virtues of making ourselves bankrupt over climate change.

Separately, the BBC tells us that a nursery forced to destroy 50,000 ash trees after dieback fungal disease was found is considering taking legal action against the government for failing to block imports sooner.

These two issues are, of course related in that we are no longer masters of our own domain โ€“ plant health and the trade in plants and plant products is entirely an EU competence and governed exclusively by EU law. We are no longer able to define our controls and rely entirely on systems agreed in Brussels.

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#2 Posted : 05 November 2012 16:11:54(UTC)
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The thing is why didn't the nurseryman think for himself and quarantine three affected trees with plastic tents and burn the rest of them instead of waiting for officials to act?

Has the population of these islands finally giving into the false belief that the state (eu) is the answer to everything?
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#3 Posted : 05 November 2012 17:10:02(UTC)
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The Government, we are told, is currently in talks with other member states on updating the EU Plant Health Regime, but tweaking round the edges is not enough. We need a complete rethink here. It may be the case that no man is an island, but the UK most certainly is, and it is about time that the EU recognised it.



We do need a complete rethink.....and on more than just this issue, it certainly is a great example of why we should be doing this type of thing for ourselves ...again well done for highlighting this.

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#4 Posted : 05 November 2012 19:19:01(UTC)
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How unfortunate the Tory party has a tree as its emblem! Although it looks more like an Oak than an Ash to me.
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#5 Posted : 05 November 2012 19:25:34(UTC)
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This, then is a classic example of where the EU's "one size fits all" philosophy simply does not take account of the realities on the ground. The crucial issue here is that which we pointed out earlier โ€“ the UK is an island. We can, therefore, use the sea barrier to exclude diseases which, on the mainland, it is not reasonable to attempt.


More EU diktat and pure shi*e.

Britain into Europe - will not go.

Is there not, a copper sulphate based solution [which is known to be effective against horse chestnut bleeding canker] based cure-all ready to be tested on Ash trees?

And if it is [efficacious or some protection at least] - why aren't Defra breaking records to test the damn stuff and ultimately, even daubing it on trees untested - anything is better than the government [defra inspired] inertia of panic and which will lead to eventual overreaction and mass deforestation by government order.

In the end, why do we import Ash tree saplings?

I will never understand why the gardners fascination with imported species [OK I like Araucaria, Redwood and Scots Pine], bring with them the potential pest bearing trees.
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#6 Posted : 05 November 2012 19:49:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ravenscar Go to Quoted Post


In the end, why do we import Ash tree saplings?


That's the point ... we shouldn't.

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#7 Posted : 05 November 2012 20:12:11(UTC)
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Trees are prone to infection when they are weakened by environmental stresses and we've experienced droughts and very cold winters lately. I wondered if infected ash could be coppiced to remove affected wood and apply fungicide more easily to the stool but Hungarian research suggests that young growth is most susceptible to dieback. It looks as though the best treatment will be better weather and propagation from resistant stock.

The UK could leave the EU and rely on the IPPC 1997 which it enacted by The Plant Health (Forestry) Order in 2005 via an EU Directive of 2000. Plant material entering the UK can be inspected provided it originates outside of the EU, but intra EU imports rely on generation of plant passports by inspectors in the country of origin and of course our colleagues are all "up to scratch".

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#8 Posted : 05 November 2012 21:02:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: William F Go to Quoted Post
The thing is why didn't the nurseryman think for himself and quarantine three affected trees with plastic tents and burn the rest of them instead of waiting for officials to act?

Has the population of these islands finally giving into the false belief that the state (eu) is the answer to everything?


See the Plant Health (Forestry) Order 2005 Section 19. Otherwise disposing of is an offence unless authorised by an inspector.
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#9 Posted : 06 November 2012 13:25:33(UTC)
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Here, it is not the EU that we should be looking to for our control model, but to Australia.



Australia's border control regime is as much about trade protection for Aussie producers as it is concern for keeping diseases out and is probably much more heavy-handed than it need be. I'm not convinced that it is at all necessary to fine visitors who have an uneaten orange in their hand luggage in order to keep the country safe from pests and diseases.

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#10 Posted : 06 November 2012 15:14:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Brian Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: William F Go to Quoted Post
The thing is why didn't the nurseryman think for himself and quarantine three affected trees with plastic tents and burn the rest of them instead of waiting for officials to act?

Has the population of these islands finally giving into the false belief that the state (eu) is the answer to everything?


See the Plant Health (Forestry) Order 2005 Section 19. Otherwise disposing of is an offence unless authorised by an inspector.


From that link, thanks by the way, I give you the stupidity of the legal code writ large
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No person shall knowingly keep, store, sell, plant, move or otherwise dispose of or knowingly cause or permit to be kept, stored, sold, planted, moved or otherwise disposed ofโ€”


So the infected trees must sit there not being touched by anyone nor quarantined from the surrounding environment because there exists a piece of paper code which acts to prevent sane human beings from dealing with the problem pretty damn quick and pretty damned effectively even though their presence means the infection may (and in this case did) spread. Well an object lesson in getting priorities wrong.

I despise the scriveners I really do.
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