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#1 Posted : 04 November 2012 00:25:28(UTC)
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In his column today, Booker ties together two themes, the crie de coeur of "enough is enough" on wind farms from John Hayes, and the "humiliation" of David Cameron over his wish to accept a limited increase in the Brussels budget.

Hayes's verdict on wind farms could just have well been spoken about Britain and the EU, by any of those 53 Tory MPs who voted against the party line, Booker writes. But what was significant, he says, "was that each marked the cracking apart of a suffocating all-party consensus which has imprisoned our politics for far too long".

Even a year ago, he says, "it would have been unthinkable that so many Tory rebels would be willing to defeat the Government over the EU – or that a minister would question the plans to cover our countryside with wind farms".

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#2 Posted : 04 November 2012 00:59:54(UTC)
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More like, it is the Conservatives running scared, scrabbling round looking for something that will find favour with the voters – without having to change anything fundamental in their policy portfolio.


Yes just that, the Camerloons have no spine and certainly do not want to vex the Brussels mafia in any serious way, therefore the lie is 'put out there' and the bird choppers will continue to be built. We have, a piddling consolation, at least some of Blue Labour/Red Tory are beginning to see the light, it's a big tanker though.
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#3 Posted : 04 November 2012 01:09:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
In his column today, Booker ties together two themes, the crie de coeur of "enough is enough" on wind farms from John Hayes, and the "humiliation" of David Cameron over his wish to accept a limited increase in the Brussels budget.

Hayes's verdict on wind farms could just have well been spoken about Britain and the EU, by any of those 53 Tory MPs who voted against the party line, Booker writes. But what was significant, he says, "was that each marked the cracking apart of a suffocating all-party consensus which has imprisoned our politics for far too long".

Even a year ago, he says, "it would have been unthinkable that so many Tory rebels would be willing to defeat the Government over the EU – or that a minister would question the plans to cover our countryside with wind farms".

View full article here



I seem to remember commenting sometime earlier that the global warming science had collapsed. You don't see papers like this one: Potential bias in 'updating' tree-ring chronologies.. without wondering what language Mann must have used when he saw the author list....

I have not seen a good technical paper supporting the AGW hypothesis now for a long time, and more and more papers are coming out attacking it. The science is dead - let us see how long the political and business props can keep this zombie walking.

Oh, and the same applies to the EU....
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#4 Posted : 04 November 2012 04:06:04(UTC)
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Usually your images of Booker's column can be enlarged to read them.

This doesn't appear to be the case this time.
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#5 Posted : 04 November 2012 09:38:40(UTC)
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It was, after all, this time last year that Cameron stumbled on his pretend veto, and since that played well in the polls – initially at least - his strategists are desperately looking for something to replicate the effect.


The law of diminishing returns surely kicks in particularly as cast iron's veto proved to be nothing more than words.
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Cameron 'striking a Thatcher-like pose'. I see it more as an image of Paul Eddington, head back, hand grasping his lapel, sonorous tones. Hacker striking a hacker-like pose, in fact.
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#7 Posted : 04 November 2012 13:42:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Frank Davis Go to Quoted Post
Usually your images of Booker's column can be enlarged to read them.

This doesn't appear to be the case this time.



Nah ... slowing down the system too much ... they can be read on-line, so I thought I'd just to the pic. Sorry about that.

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#8 Posted : 04 November 2012 18:30:34(UTC)
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Dr. N ... that's wonderfully apt imagery by Mr. Booker:
Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
". . .the cracking apart of a suffocating all-party consensus which has imprisoned our politics for far too long". View full article here
I think it extends to cover the electorate too -- whose "consensus" our 'pretend' governments have been fracking and suffocating since WWII at least.
This isn't half bad, either:
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"the genies of common sense and the national interest trying to struggle out of the bottle, there are different ways of looking at it." !


I tend to the alternate view that it is the British electorate who are imprisoned. That is, we are the national interest; in addition, our view is commonsensical. Both view and interest, however, are struggling for expression and for freedom.

As for Shameron --- he's a form of jellyfish whose sting works to anaesthetise his victims. Not that I mean to insult most jellyfish, of course. Most of them are better-looking than he is.
[[I used to wonder if he might be descended from Ivar the Boneless (you'll recall he floated up the Ouse in 867). That would cast aspersions on the Viking, however: I've read that he was a brilliant miltary strategist]].

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#9 Posted : 04 November 2012 19:01:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: euSSR Go Home Go to Quoted Post
I used to wonder if he might be descended from Ivar the Boneless (you'll recall he floated up the Ouse in 867).



I remember it well.

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#10 Posted : 04 November 2012 19:08:56(UTC)
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School test on the weather followed by the "staff answers":

Q - How do eco-facists reconcile the snow that has fallen in southern England?
A - Global warming.

Q - How do eco-facists reconcile rain falling a few miles away from the places that had snow?
A - Global warming.

Q - How do eco-facists reconcile that some places a few miles away from the places that had snow and rain had neither?
A - Global warming.

Q - What can be done to prevent your nan and grandad being cold in the winter because bills are too high?
A - Build more windmills to provide an efficient cheap form of energy......oh wait!

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#11 Posted : 04 November 2012 19:53:26(UTC)
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Re Telegraph. Someone I know in Greece reported today that the Telegraph had gone behind a paywall. But it doesn't seem to have happened in the UK.

Greece first, and then the rest of us?

It certainly sounds familiar.
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#12 Posted : 04 November 2012 20:57:59(UTC)
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Richard, a thought - the Liberals were sidelined in the C20th. In the C21st. the Conservatives. If so, then a new movement is in the offing to counter the socialists who are, or purport to be, the Labour Party. Maybe the Harrogate Agenda will be the catalyst for this new party.
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#13 Posted : 05 November 2012 00:51:51(UTC)
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I agree with Booker, what has happened this week with the successful rebellion on the EU and the minister speaking out against wind farms was encouraging - a step in the right direction. These "rebels" need encouragement.
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#14 Posted : 05 November 2012 11:49:38(UTC)
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I'd say Cameron's main priority is to park the question of 'Europe' until after the next GE.

If it's a Conservative victory, he'll still want to park the issue but for slightly different reasons.

If it's a Labour victory, he'll likely get the boot, but the Conservatives will have done enough to claim in opposition they were tougher on 'Europe' than Labour and they can keep playing their fence sitting game.

I'm not so sure about Cameron's Europhilia, in that I don't think it's motivated by any sort of belief, so much as not wanting to take the responsibility and risk of making a decision and dealing with something divisive to the party. The effect is that we stay in and drift along, which in practical terms is Europhilia.

I keep coming back to the idea that the political parties are just the surface show and there's a whole permanent administrative establishment which finds the EU very much to its taste. Governments find it very easy to allow that establishment to grow, but near impossible to shrink.
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#15 Posted : 05 November 2012 12:11:45(UTC)
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I'd like to think that some reality is entering the government.......however they have done nothing but screw up everything else and I fear that our energy policy will end up the same.

If the old coal fired stations close we go from a 43 % over capacity to @ 9 %, which means almost certain powercuts and they close well before any new capacity can come on line.

The country desperately needs all the economic help it can get, junking the entire AGW/green energy policy would allow energy prices to fall and thus boost the economy and save lives, particularly the elderly. Yet the braindead morons that run us, show little to no interest in enacting what should be a no brainer.

Far worse the colleagues, in their never ending search for ideas of economic ruination, are talking of setting binding targets way beyond what has already been mandated.

http://www.clickgreen.or...gy-targets-for-2030.html
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