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#1 Posted : 25 October 2012 10:10:05(UTC)
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Britain's press must remain free, proclaims The Daily Telegraph this morning, then telling us that: "For all their faults, journalists provide a vital role in a democracy that would be lost if politicians were allowed to regulate them".

One assumes the strap-line was written by the author of the ensuing piece, Tim Luckhurst, but whoever wrote it, the sentiment would have been a tad more convincing if it had said of journalists, "for all their many faults".

Nevertheless, Luckhurst certainly puts his name to the body text, starting off with a quote from the old fraud, Winston Churchill, who in 1949, said: "A free press is the unsleeping guardian of every other right that free men prize".

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#2 Posted : 25 October 2012 11:43:01(UTC)
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That is why the US Constitution's 1st Amendment is written as it is:

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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


Freedom of the press extends not only to the approved "Media", but to Billy Joe Bubba Bob as he writes the Atchafalaya Mobile Home Park Daily Times as well. Even if he only publishes it electronically. Unfortunately, OUR Betters routinely ignore that, just as they do so many OTHER inconvenient parts of the document. Which is why I wish you well with the Harrogate Agenda, but doubt you shall have much success in implementing same. I am firmly convinced that the ruling elite only understand one thing. And until Mere Citizens are willing to deal with them thusly, they shall continue onward unfazed.
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#3 Posted : 25 October 2012 12:32:59(UTC)
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We do actually live under a dictatorship of sorts.
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Im all for closing communist PR rags! I believe that taken as a whole Churchill got way more decisions correct that wrong and many were insightful! The daily worker, apart from being a misnomer just spread the communist dogma and had no interest in the UK other than an instrument of Hitlers demise, the communists had infiltrated France to a hugely damaging degree, kneecapping the army and the aircraft production that had been nationalized (stolen) and dispersed and re amalgamated on an abstract regional basis.
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Strangely. I misread the headline. Wink
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#6 Posted : 25 October 2012 12:55:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: citroenchris Go to Quoted Post
Im all for closing communist PR rags! I believe that taken as a whole Churchill got way more decisions correct that wrong and many were insightful! The daily worker, apart from being a misnomer just spread the communist dogma and had no interest in the UK other than an instrument of Hitlers demise, the communists had infiltrated France to a hugely damaging degree, kneecapping the army and the aircraft production that had been nationalized (stolen) and dispersed and re amalgamated on an abstract regional basis.




I think the Voltaire principle must apply ... "I disagree with what you say, but would defend to the death your right to say it".

The Communist Daily Worker made absolutely no secret of its opposition to the war and its desire to make peace with Germany. But it also maintained a robustly anti-fascist line, hoping for an overthrow of Hitler by the people. It did not want to make peace with Hitler. It wanted to make peace with the German people. And, if this was unrealistic, it was in fact, was very similar to the official line. The Chiefs of Staff in 1939 believed Hitler to be very insecure (which he was) and expected his overthrow, from which peace would emerge when the UK government would be able to deal with the new German government. It was not until 4 September that the British Chiefs of Staff formally abandoned any hope of a coup in Germany and were then fully committed to the war.

What is clear from the evidence, however, is that Churchill (and Morrison) were keen to ban the Daily Worker because it was doing exactly that which newspapers should have been doing ... being a thorn in the side to government (over some egregious policy failures). If Churchill could have banned more newspapers he would have done so. He was able to get away with the Daily Worker because he had the support of the Labour Party.
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Strangely. I misread the headline. Wink



Funny that ... I nearly put the wrung letter in.

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#8 Posted : 25 October 2012 14:46:08(UTC)
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Strangely. I misread the headline. Wink



Funny that ... I nearly put the wrung letter in.


Over here on the West side of the Pond, we now call them "Flukes" to get past the censors...
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#9 Posted : 25 October 2012 16:14:18(UTC)
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That is why the US Constitution's 1st Amendment is written as it is:

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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


Freedom of the press extends not only to the approved "Media", but to Billy Joe Bubba Bob as he writes the Atchafalaya Mobile Home Park Daily Times as well. Even if he only publishes it electronically. Unfortunately, OUR Betters routinely ignore that, just as they do so many OTHER inconvenient parts of the document. Which is why I wish you well with the Harrogate Agenda, but doubt you shall have much success in implementing same. I am firmly convinced that the ruling elite only understand one thing. And until Mere Citizens are willing to deal with them thusly, they shall continue onward unfazed.

Yes. I believe you're right on all counts there.

When I first joined this blog I thought reason would hold sway and that pretty much all that was needed were sound arguments and exposure to them to correct the wrongs done. Huh, how dumb!
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As you have referred to Duff Cooper, just want to say that I am thoroughly enjoying "The Many Not the Few".

That is all.
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#11 Posted : 25 October 2012 17:09:33(UTC)
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Would this individual:
http://www.thelastditch....10/compulsion-works.html
perchance be one of your friends, Dr. North? He seems to display a rather accurate understanding of one's Betters...

Link courtesy of smalldeadanimals.com
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#12 Posted : 25 October 2012 18:50:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mmatis Go to Quoted Post
Would this individual:
http://www.thelastditch....10/compulsion-works.html
perchance be one of your friends, Dr. North? He seems to display a rather accurate understanding of one's Betters...

Link courtesy of smalldeadanimals.com
What a marvellous piece, and how beautifully he encapsulates the mindset and mannerisms of the elite. Thank you, mmatis.
He wrote:
"Hearing our public intellectuals expound the new orthodoxy, it's clear that nothing short of economic collapse or armed revolution will change their minds."
I glumly agree.
That economic collapse cannot now be far off.
Please hold: your call is important to us.
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#13 Posted : 25 October 2012 20:27:48(UTC)
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Conservative MP Karl McCartney, who obtained the information through a Parliamentary Question, said he was concerned that receiving the money could affect the way the BBC covers events in the European Union.

He said: “People will quite rightly continue to question what influence the EU exerts over the BBC, particularly in the light of EU loans and grants, and the BBC's often one-sided coverage of matters relating to Europe.

“This and other examples of BBC bias and left wing leaning politicised reporting worry and concern both me and my colleagues.”

Conservative MP Dominic Raab said that this “financial dependence of the BBC on the EU casts a shadow over its editorial independence”.

He added: “The BBC covers EU issues on a daily basis, so people will understandably - and legitimately - question whether there is a link between the money it receives and the reporting it broadcasts.

"Whether or not there is an actual conflict of interest, it risks undermining their perceived impartiality.”

From here.

To my mind, it matters not at all what the fourth estate thinks, their opinions count for little [excepting the graun of course but that is a confirmation propaganda feel good rag for the 'intelligentsia'].

The BBC runs the agenda in Britain, a survey of people showed that 47% of Brit's rely on the beeb for news and info' - that's an astonishing figure and one which makes me very gloomy.

The power of the idiots lantern, reaches far and wide. The maleficent Socialist authoritarianism of the beeb, colours the political landscape of Britain, it is the medium through which the useful idiots and common purpose apparats drive home the jaundiced political ideologies of Gramsci and of the multiculturalists, the priesthood of the global warming cult and all of the liberal left filth which has utterly trashed British social mores and morality. The BBC, they are complicit too - in the Savile cover up - that whole sordid paedophile culture, which some say reaches right to the very top of the liberal establishment in Britain.

The press in Britain, are bought and paid for, the whole Levenson inquiry was a kangaroo court designed to defame Murdoch but ultimately got carried away in its own self righteous attitude - truly what an epic waste of public money and time and Dave will bin the findings anyway - we do not need to worry about the 'freedom of the press' in Britain - it was a chimera and still is a fantasy - as you say Dr. N - the really free press was silenced in WWII.

It is the BBC, who are the real problem, democracy has no chance of flowering here until its big gob, mouthpiece and apologist for the corruption endemic in Westminster and Brussels: is silenced once and for all time.

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#14 Posted : 25 October 2012 21:03:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mmatis Go to Quoted Post
Would this individual:
http://www.thelastditch....10/compulsion-works.html
perchance be one of your friends, Dr. North? He seems to display a rather accurate understanding of one's Betters...

Link courtesy of smalldeadanimals.com





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I must now seriously consider if it's worth wasting my life supporting ideas that are, as far as our ruling class is concerned, dead. Hearing our public intellectuals expound the new orthodoxy, it's clear that nothing short of economic collapse or armed revolution will change their minds. As I desire neither and will certainly do nothing to promote them, perhaps I should just shut up? God knows a weekend spent listening to them discuss how best to command and control a population they despise for its stupidity and ignorance was not my idea of fun. Given their creepy authoritarianism, it may also be unwise to provide them with an online public archive of my "wicked" views.

I have taken the event at face value and applaud what it attempted. While I am fully aware of the shady background of the Institute of Ideas and its founders, I think they genuinely attempted to assemble the full range of British intellectual opinion. That range is simply neither very wide, nor very intellectual.



Interesting ...
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Originally Posted by: mmatis Go to Quoted Post
Would this individual:
http://www.thelastditch....10/compulsion-works.html
perchance be one of your friends, Dr. North? He seems to display a rather accurate understanding of one's Betters...

Link courtesy of smalldeadanimals.com





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I must now seriously consider if it's worth wasting my life supporting ideas that are, as far as our ruling class is concerned, dead. Hearing our public intellectuals expound the new orthodoxy, it's clear that nothing short of economic collapse or armed revolution will change their minds. As I desire neither and will certainly do nothing to promote them, perhaps I should just shut up? God knows a weekend spent listening to them discuss how best to command and control a population they despise for its stupidity and ignorance was not my idea of fun. Given their creepy authoritarianism, it may also be unwise to provide them with an online public archive of my "wicked" views.

I have taken the event at face value and applaud what it attempted. While I am fully aware of the shady background of the Institute of Ideas and its founders, I think they genuinely attempted to assemble the full range of British intellectual opinion. That range is simply neither very wide, nor very intellectual.



Interesting ...

He does sound like he could be channeling you from a couple of days past...
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#16 Posted : 25 October 2012 21:46:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mmatis Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: mmatis Go to Quoted Post
Would this individual:
http://www.thelastditch....10/compulsion-works.html
perchance be one of your friends, Dr. North? He seems to display a rather accurate understanding of one's Betters...

Link courtesy of smalldeadanimals.com





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I must now seriously consider if it's worth wasting my life supporting ideas that are, as far as our ruling class is concerned, dead. Hearing our public intellectuals expound the new orthodoxy, it's clear that nothing short of economic collapse or armed revolution will change their minds. As I desire neither and will certainly do nothing to promote them, perhaps I should just shut up? God knows a weekend spent listening to them discuss how best to command and control a population they despise for its stupidity and ignorance was not my idea of fun. Given their creepy authoritarianism, it may also be unwise to provide them with an online public archive of my "wicked" views.

I have taken the event at face value and applaud what it attempted. While I am fully aware of the shady background of the Institute of Ideas and its founders, I think they genuinely attempted to assemble the full range of British intellectual opinion. That range is simply neither very wide, nor very intellectual.



Interesting ...

He does sound like he could be channeling you from a couple of days past...



I actually had the Institute of Ideas contact me, asking me if I wanted to attend their show, with a press pass. I looked at it all fairly carefully and came to the same sort of conclusion, without being there. So I sent the Harrogate Agenda and said no thank you very much.

That is perhaps where I differ. I've had a lifetime in the practical end of government and am prepared to point ot how the system can be improved. I don't rely on the approval of the ruling class.
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Mmatis,

Great link. ThumpUp


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To my mind, it matters not at all what the fourth estate thinks, their opinions count for little [excepting the graun of course but that is a confirmation propaganda feel good rag for the 'intelligentsia'].

The BBC runs the agenda in Britain, a survey of people showed that 47% of Brit's rely on the beeb for news and info' - that's an astonishing figure and one which makes me very gloomy.

The power of the idiots lantern, reaches far and wide. The maleficent Socialist authoritarianism of the beeb, colours the political landscape of Britain, it is the medium through which the useful idiots and common purpose apparats drive home the jaundiced political ideologies of Gramsci and of the multiculturalists, the priesthood of the global warming cult and all of the liberal left filth which has utterly trashed British social mores and morality. The BBC, they are complicit too - in the Savile cover up - that whole sordid paedophile culture, which some say reaches right to the very top of the liberal establishment in Britain.

The press in Britain, are bought and paid for, the whole Levenson inquiry was a kangaroo court designed to defame Murdoch but ultimately got carried away in its own self righteous attitude - truly what an epic waste of public money and time and Dave will bin the findings anyway - we do not need to worry about the 'freedom of the press' in Britain - it was a chimera and still is a fantasy - as you say Dr. N - the really free press was silenced in WWII.

It is the BBC, who are the real problem, democracy has no chance of flowering here until its big gob, mouthpiece and apologist for the corruption endemic in Westminster and Brussels: is silenced once and for all time.

Top rant. ThumpUp
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Much obliged to you mmatis, excellent link, I certainly enjoyed the whole piece.

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Would this individual:
http://www.thelastditch....10/compulsion-works.html
perchance be one of your friends, Dr. North? He seems to display a rather accurate understanding of one's Betters...

Link courtesy of smalldeadanimals.com




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[...]I wanted to cry out "When will you bloody tyrants stop playing the victim?"


Bloody marvellous line.

And from same blog - this from Theodore:



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Once again, Dr Dalrymple nails it;

The idea that living within your means is a form of austerity, and not (other than in exceptional circumstances) the elementary moral duty of people of honor, shows that, underlying the economic crisis is a profound moral crisis in western society.


Source.

In a few lines, Theodore Dalrymple sums up - the culture of entitlement but who is to blame? In - 50 years and more of Marxist ideology as implemented and practiced by our increasingly manic and desperate authorities and supposed superiors and 'betters' - the men and women in power............................. The "bloody tyrants" indeed.
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As you have referred to Duff Cooper, just want to say that I am thoroughly enjoying "The Many Not the Few".

That is all.



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Originally Posted by: mmatis Go to Quoted Post
Would this individual:
http://www.thelastditch....10/compulsion-works.html
perchance be one of your friends, Dr. North? He seems to display a rather accurate understanding of one's Betters...

Link courtesy of smalldeadanimals.com


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The second session I attended was called Risk, regulation and red tape. I am sorry to tell you it was even more depressing. Professor Nick Butler of Kings College and more relevantly the Fabian Society actually said from a public platform with a straight face;

All the regulations of the last 50 years were necessary and are effective.

I noted it carefully because I could not believe my ears. There was a good discussion in the session of the costs of over- or mis-regulation. I strongly argued that the greatest cost of all was in the businesses that never begin. The costs of entry of compliance with regulations prepared for (and sometimes lobbied for by) big business* prevent many startups. Simon Nixon of the Wall Street journal laid the blame for increasing regulation at the door of citizens who are simply not prepared to accept risk as their fathers and grandfathers did. If we demand the government insure us against all harm, then it's inevitable, he argued, that government must regulate fiercely to limit its own liability.


* a point often made by Richard.

These prats don't even realise that they are being used by big business, so blinded by their self righteous indignation at the perils big business is subjecting us to with their products. fquits
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