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#1 Posted : 27 February 2013 12:23:21(UTC)
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From 1,247 identified samples of fish purchased from retail outlets in the United States, 33 percent (401) were mislabelled. That has been the finding of a survey on seafood fraud by the conservation group Oceana (full report here, which has been running in the US press for the last few days.

Inevitably, papers such as the New York Times are drawing comparisons, this paper telling its readers that: "Many Europeans are fretting these days over horse meat, and whether it might have adulterated their shepherd’s pie. Over here, its all about the red snapper".

Read here... http://www.eureferendum....ogview.aspx?blogno=83661

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#2 Posted : 27 February 2013 13:21:42(UTC)
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I suspect the Fish Fingers will test positive for Seahorse.
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#3 Posted : 27 February 2013 13:42:04(UTC)
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The labelling of fish gets even more complicated in the case of pacific salmon of which there are five distinct species ranging in commercial value from little/no value (Chum Salmon) through low value per unit weight (Pink/Humpy) to high value per unit weight (Sockeye). While the fish can be differentiated enough by their markings, and the meat by its colour and texture, once processed it would be easy to substitute one for another.

Compounding the problem, the range of most Pacific Salmon species extends from California to China, meaning that there is also vast scope for mislabelling the country of origin as Alaskan salmon (as an example) is probably worth more than Chinese salmon.

Furthermore, in Canada and the US, the salmon fishery has often been a means for new immigrants to get out of low paying employment and earn a good living for themselves. When my father owned a commerical gillnetter in the late 1980s there was a huge influx of Vietnamese into the industry who were notorious for never throwing anything back including commercially worthless species (to salmon fishermen at least) like hake, shad and dogfish. Probably most of these fish were sold to other Vietnamese and ended up served at home or in Vietnamese restaurants, but it doesn't require a great leap of the imagination to see that it could easily be processed and resold for greater profit as some other species.

The only way to guarantee the identity of the fish you eat is to catch it yourself or buy at the dock.

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#4 Posted : 27 February 2013 14:12:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jackanori Go to Quoted Post


The only way to guarantee the identity of the fish you eat is to catch it yourself or buy at the dock.





Aha! But what about MSC certification? Absolutely foolproof, doncha know!

http://www.eureferendum....ogview.aspx?blogno=83648
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Here's another example of global food fraud - fake Ice Wine. No surprise when the genuine stuff is produced in limited quantities and can command prices of hundreds or thousands of dollars per half bottle.

Of course wine fraud isn't confined to niche products like this - it has a long history.

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#6 Posted : 27 February 2013 14:52:21(UTC)
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It is beginning to look as if the whole of the Single Market running on bureaucratic documentation was designed with the sole purpose of facilitating organised crime. And disorganised, too, if you count politicians...

Adding to this the EU incompetence on the foreign policy stage, their inability to get their audits signed off, and the disaster area which is the Euro, it is hard to see any possible justification for its existence at all. Remind me again why it is that the supporters of the EU chant its praises.. oh, I remember.

Stopping WW3.
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#7 Posted : 27 February 2013 15:24:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jackanori Go to Quoted Post
Here's another example of global food fraud - fake Ice Wine. No surprise when the genuine stuff is produced in limited quantities and can command prices of hundreds or thousands of dollars per half bottle.

Of course wine fraud isn't confined to niche products like this - it has a long history.



Thanks ... classic example of fraud.

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#8 Posted : 27 February 2013 15:33:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jackanori Go to Quoted Post
Here's another example of global food fraud - fake Ice Wine. No surprise when the genuine stuff is produced in limited quantities and can command prices of hundreds or thousands of dollars per half bottle.

Of course wine fraud isn't confined to niche products like this - it has a long history.


Eiswein is a beautifully complex wine that only has sporadic vintages. I'd be surprised if the fake labelling was sufficiently accurate to fool anyone that has even the vaguest knowledge of the product.

No surprise there's fraud, given the amounts you mention but I'm not sure I'd pay a four figure sum for half a bottle. More depressing is the idea that people who are prepared to pay that much for wine wouldn't know it was fake.
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#9 Posted : 27 February 2013 15:38:51(UTC)
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When is a fruit not a fruit......



http://tv.naturalnews.co...B1A945BE85E7DA8483025962

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This bag of blueberry bagels sold at Target stores is made with blueberry bits. And while actual blueberries are found further down the ingredients list, the blueberry bits themselves don't even contain bits of blueberries. They're made entirely from sugar, corn cereal, modified food starch, partially hydrogenated vegetable oil, artificial flavor, cellulose gum, salt and artificial colors like Blue #2, Red #40, Green #3 and Blue #1.

What's missing from that list? Well, blueberries.
Where did the blueberries go?

They certainly didn't end up in Total Blueberry Pomegranate Cereal. This cereal, made by General Mills, contains neither blueberries nor pomegranates. They're nowhere to be found. But the cereal is made with red #40, blue #2 and other artificial colors. And it's even sweetened with sucralose, a chemical sweetener. And that's in addition to the sugar, corn syrup and brown sugar syrup that's already on the label.



Processed foods are a killer,substituting meat or fish for another species is bad enough,but it is the other stuff they are putting in our food that we should be worried about as well.
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#10 Posted : 27 February 2013 16:28:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vincent Go to Quoted Post
Processed foods are a killer,substituting meat or fish for another species is bad enough,but it is the other stuff they are putting in our food that we should be worried about as well.


Couldn’t agree more. We’ve not touched processed food for years.

But that still leaves us facing the adulteration of what should be clean basic ingredients. Others have commented on the shit that comes out of meat when you fry/roast it. I thought I was the only one who had noticed. Or at least was pissed off about it. Mentioning it to friends, I’ve just received vague agreement – yes, they’ve sort of noticed. Says something about apathy. After all, this is not what friends perceive as party politics – eating is a core part of every day life.

BTW - organic, IMO, is a red herring. A touch of genius by the food industry to milk those who have the income to reject the increasingly low grade crap that constitutes the non-premium product.


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#11 Posted : 27 February 2013 17:13:58(UTC)
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Processed foods are a killer,substituting meat or fish for another species is bad enough,but it is the other stuff they are putting in our food that we should be worried about as well.


Couldn’t agree more. We’ve not touched processed food for years.

But that still leaves us facing the adulteration of what should be clean basic ingredients. Others have commented on the shit that comes out of meat when you fry/roast it. I thought I was the only one who had noticed. Or at least was pissed off about it. Mentioning it to friends, I’ve just received vague agreement – yes, they’ve sort of noticed. Says something about apathy. After all, this is not what friends perceive as party politics – eating is a core part of every day life.

BTW - organic, IMO, is a red herring. A touch of genius by the food industry to milk those who have the income to reject the increasingly low grade crap that constitutes the non-premium product.




It's tough out there trying to find good wholesome food....why should it be this hard?It shouldn't be hard it should be easy,but the food industry has made it very difficult and the regulators have not helped whatsover.

Organic is OK on certain items,like grapes,blueberries and peppers where pesticides are absorbed through the skin and get into the fruit.Normal washing will not just not remove them, but on other items, yes it is a waste of money.

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#12 Posted : 27 February 2013 18:47:14(UTC)
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[...] The only way to guarantee the identity of the fish you eat is to catch it yourself or buy at the dock.



Hmm. The last time I tried to "buy at the dock" it didn't happen. Asking a local guy I knew why not? He suggested that I was probably taken as some 'Bureaucrat' sent in to revoke licences having found that the seller had
breached section 46 sp. 97. Basically the 'coal face' trusts nobody. I can't blame them.

Back to your suggestion "buy at the dock" - never going to happen unless they know and trust you.
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I don't buy 'at the dock', I buy 'on the beach'. I live on the South Coast where there still remains a small fishing fleet. The boats are launched from the beach (shingle) very early in the morning when the tide is right, with most returning before dark. The fishermen(and some women) are only too happy to sell some of their catch directly from the boat, side-stepping bureaucrats galore. I was fortunate to be 'introduced' by one known to the fishermen so I had no problems. Lemon and Dover sole, cod, plaice, hake and bass are amongst the fish regularly caught but the prime purchase is fresh crab. Gorgeous stuff and sold still alive.
I have no problems with MY sea-food!
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Originally Posted by: jackanori Go to Quoted Post

Of course wine fraud isn't confined to niche products like this - it has a long history.


One that list doesn't cover is the Sicilian wine fraud of 1986?

Sicilian wine suddenly had a very good reputation for cheap wine. No one could understand why since it had been a bad year for the grape harvest there. Then someone noticed that large amounts of pure alcohol, glycerine, sulphuric acid and grape juice were being imported to Sicily. There was the answer.

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Originally Posted by: jackanori Go to Quoted Post

Of course wine fraud isn't confined to niche products like this - it has a long history.


One that list doesn't cover is the Sicilian wine fraud of 1986?

Sicilian wine suddenly had a very good reputation for cheap wine. No one could understand why since it had been a bad year for the grape harvest there. Then someone noticed that large amounts of pure alcohol, glycerine, sulphuric acid and grape juice were being imported to Sicily. There was the answer.


???
You mean they were making Beaujolais Nouveau???
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Here's another example of global food fraud - fake Ice Wine. No surprise when the genuine stuff is produced in limited quantities and can command prices of hundreds or thousands of dollars per half bottle.

Of course wine fraud isn't confined to niche products like this - it has a long history.


Eiswein is a beautifully complex wine that only has sporadic vintages. I'd be surprised if the fake labelling was sufficiently accurate to fool anyone that has even the vaguest knowledge of the product.

No surprise there's fraud, given the amounts you mention but I'm not sure I'd pay a four figure sum for half a bottle. More depressing is the idea that people who are prepared to pay that much for wine wouldn't know it was fake.


Icewine fraud is prevalent in China where most of the population aren't terribly sophisticated wine consumers and where the high prices and exclusivity of icewine play into the Chinese desire to earn "face". A $200 of icewine given as a gift earns the giver "face". The quality doesn't matter, just the price and the perceived exclusivity. The same factor appears in the Chinese preference for Cognac as their hard liquor of choice.

In the circumstances you can see why icewine fraud is so lucrative.

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[...] The only way to guarantee the identity of the fish you eat is to catch it yourself or buy at the dock.



Hmm. The last time I tried to "buy at the dock" it didn't happen. Asking a local guy I knew why not? He suggested that I was probably taken as some 'Bureaucrat' sent in to revoke licences having found that the seller had
breached section 46 sp. 97. Basically the 'coal face' trusts nobody. I can't blame them.

Back to your suggestion "buy at the dock" - never going to happen unless they know and trust you.



It may be a problem in Britain with its petty bureaucrats acting out their Hitlerist fantasies, but not in more civilised lands.
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#18 Posted : 28 February 2013 10:00:02(UTC)
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Last week, while working on something unrelated to food fraud, I read about two teenage girls who "used DNA bar coding to determine that some sushi on New York dinner plates was mislabelled with cheaper fish being passed off as a more expensive species". They found substitution in supermarket fish as well. If teenagers in the US in 2008 worked out that a lot of food ain't what it says it is, how did the horse fraud keep going in Mother Europe for so long?

http://articles.cnn.com/...oding-dna-bar?_s=PM:TECH
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Originally Posted by: Clarence Go to Quoted Post
Last week, while working on something unrelated to food fraud, I read about two teenage girls who "used DNA bar coding to determine that some sushi on New York dinner plates was mislabelled with cheaper fish being passed off as a more expensive species". They found substitution in supermarket fish as well. If teenagers in the US in 2008 worked out that a lot of food ain't what it says it is, how did the horse fraud keep going in Mother Europe for so long?

http://articles.cnn.com/...oding-dna-bar?_s=PM:TECH



Because the system is based on "plausible deniability". Everyone in the trade knows it is going on, but they have constructed an intricate system of paperwork which allows them to disclaim responsibility when the balloon goes up.

This sums it up ...

http://www.eureferendum....ogview.aspx?blogno=83648

But as long as the retailers have the necessary piece of paper that enable them to claim "due diligence", they don't give a damn.
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#20 Posted : 28 February 2013 11:54:12(UTC)
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Because the system is based on "plausible deniability". Everyone in the trade knows it is going on, but they have constructed an intricate system of paperwork which allows them to disclaim responsibility when the balloon goes up.
Oh sure. I didn't expect any of those in the trade to blow the whistle on their open secret. But it's slightly surprising that the two teens didn't inspire anyone – be they fellow teen, journalist, academic or activist – to pull a similar stunt here. Perhaps the 2008 story wasn't widely reported enough over here.

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